As a fellow born-in I am rooting you on....GO SIAM GO!!!!!
Thanks for that post, very well said indeed
CHG
learning the truth about the watchtower society can be very painful for a number of reasons.
first, it is so disconcerting to realize that the core of your existence and the foundations of your beliefs are false that it can throw you for a real loop.
as witnesses we are so confident in all of the answers we have been given, to questions that we never asked, that we mentally put ourselves up on a pedestal above the masses of poor, blind, wicked humanity.
As a fellow born-in I am rooting you on....GO SIAM GO!!!!!
Thanks for that post, very well said indeed
CHG
well here goes... i apologize in advance if this turns into a long and disjointed rant, but i just have to begin typing in order to keep from exploding.
i realize that what im about to say could seriously jeopardize my anonymity, but i think ive reached the point that i just dont care.
i want this to be over.. let me explain what caused me to rip up a letter and get up and walk out in the middle of an elders meeting two weekends ago.. our boe has been embroiled in a nasty fight for the past 2 years over a certain brothers business dealings.
I also was the wife of a MS who DA'd himself out of the blue...he did not discuss his concerns with me (I knew something was not right with him a couple months before he left, but he wouldn't talk to me)
So when he "ripped the bandaid" off- I was in shock, I was scared, I was hurt and angry, I couldn't hear his concerns then because I was so angry that he DA'd without discussing it with me
He left and disappeared...left me with nothing but regret and lonliness
it took 5 years of wasting away single with no scriptural grounds for remarriage to see the hypocracy of the elders and their "loving" counsel to me to finally have enough and fade away myself.
Now I am with a very nice man who has never been a JW, but sometimes I wonder how it would have turned out if he had talked to me earlier....
But you have to walk your own path AD, and for the first time in your life....you get to choose
I wish you the best of luck
CHG
i was talking to my wife last night about various things.
she is a woman who wears many hats, the student, the mother, the teacher, the witness.
a lot of demands on her and she feels like she neglects her family the most.
Gary,
yes unfortunately I can relate to your wife's stories of "plans for when the big A hits"- I grew up with my mom telling me that the elders were going to tell us where to go when Armageddon hits...like where? I would ask...my mom would tell me things like that we could hide in a cave or fall out shelter or something-
all this did for me as a young child is have terrible nightmare about dodging things falling from the sky, tornadoes, etc...
and my parents thought it was weird that I would memorize survival books as a child (how to survive a tornado, hurricane, housefires)....didn't they realize that it was because the big "A" scared the sh*t out of me????
It is sad that this fear has to continue into adulthood for JWs
CHG
i briefly touched on the drama in another post, but i felt i needed to share in greater detail this latest masterpiece.. .
this was the drama on sunday.
the story alternates between the story of joseph, son of jacob, and a witness kid (forgot his name;billy?
Awesome!!!! Love this thread, & I can picture my whole family going on about how good this drama is and "how it really should make young people think"
CHG
just read don cameron's book...which was very en-light-ening (sorry for the "new light" pun)....and i agree with many of cameron's points about how to reason with a jw but i am curious..... have any of you out there in jwn land ever tried to have a witness come to your door, pretend to have a bible study & get the jw in a "teacher" setting where they have to research for you the history of jw's in the time of 1919????.
were you successful?
did it not work out?.
Thanks for everyone's feedback...I was slightly inclined to try Cameron's tactics if given the opportunity but....I think overall this book is best for exiting and exJW's. The whole 1919 issue was an "ah-ha" moment for me and I was glad to read it
Thanks for recommending it all those on JWN!
CHG
just read don cameron's book...which was very en-light-ening (sorry for the "new light" pun)....and i agree with many of cameron's points about how to reason with a jw but i am curious..... have any of you out there in jwn land ever tried to have a witness come to your door, pretend to have a bible study & get the jw in a "teacher" setting where they have to research for you the history of jw's in the time of 1919????.
were you successful?
did it not work out?.
that is what I fear AN.....that unless you talk to a JW that is already "fading", you will get the same results as the author did when the elders in his cong told him that if the society is not gods organization that there is no god....
thanks for your feedback!
CHG
just read don cameron's book...which was very en-light-ening (sorry for the "new light" pun)....and i agree with many of cameron's points about how to reason with a jw but i am curious..... have any of you out there in jwn land ever tried to have a witness come to your door, pretend to have a bible study & get the jw in a "teacher" setting where they have to research for you the history of jw's in the time of 1919????.
were you successful?
did it not work out?.
Just read Don Cameron's book...which was very en-light-ening (sorry for the "new light" pun)....and I agree with many of Cameron's points about how to reason with a JW but I am curious....
Have any of you out there in JWN land ever tried to have a witness come to your door, pretend to have a bible study & get the JW in a "teacher" setting where they have to research for you the history of JW's in the time of 1919????
Were you successful? Did it not work out?
I am also curious if these tactics work on your JW family members (I can see where you can play dumb with a dub when they don't know you, but family is different)
Thanks for any feedback!!
CHG
well, i'm going to break this up, because if anyone has read any of my posts, you know i can be long-winded.
yep, i'm the person that can leave a minute or two message on a v.m.. i have been on this board for a month or two and wanted to make sure i'd be sticking around before i intro'd myself, so here i am.
grab your favorite beverage, it's gonna be a long one.. in the beginning.... i learned of the "truth" through a co-worker.
Welcome! You write in a way that is easy to read....I am sorry for what you went through, being a born-in JW I guess I was used to critisizm as "loving counsel" ...but there did come a time when I was blacklisted for my "attitude" and my "un-scriptural" divorce and my choice of "bad associates" and I was pushed into a corner and couldn't take it anymore
you are in good company and I am glad you are out!
keep posting
CHG
my favorite snowboard pictures i took this season!
vote and comment which one is the best!
it's all from vancouver, grouse mt or cypress!
Awesome pics Snowboarder, you have a good eye (maybe backup career in photography???)
CHG
9:30 song no.
10:50 song no.
12:10 song no.
Yawn.....I can fall asleep in the comfort of my own bed & not propped up in an uncomfortable stadium chair pretending to take notes and nodding off, startled awake by thunderous applause because of a borring speaker asking the audience if we are so thankful to be living in a spiritual paradise...
thanks for the update though, I look forward to reading feedback from the poor people who do sacrifice three days for that hell
CHG